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CSMX - Post #34

Remember, remember, the third of November... did I get that right?

Eve online: Parallax was released successfully full of bugs. It is not as bad as it could be. Brain in a Box was released and while it has been running wild in wormhole space, giggling and harassing the residents, for the most part the defects have been swiftly attacked.

Your skills might be broken. Your links may not work. Your wormhole life may be confusing now that you have eight high spots on your probing frigate. Duel training might not be what you'd like it to be. And if the POS or POCO that you shoot laughs at you, don't worry. Fires are being put out at good speed.

The new scanning interface has been released as an opted in beta feature. This has made some people mad. They don't want to be testers for CCP. I've learned that testing is a touchy subject and people don't want to put their free time into testing and everything should be perfect when released. If you don't like it, please go to your escape menu and opt out. However, the scanning is going to change. CCP Goliath has been amazing with his responsiveness. I direct all feedback to this thread because he is taking care of business.

On structures. Somewhere in the background I am gnawing through the structure blogs and updating the FAQ. However, we've made progress on having large Citadel deployed from Orca. This was due to the 'I have capitals in my wormhole and need a large for them but I cannot deploy one until I build a one time use freighter just to deploy it,' circle that it created. People where mad after Vegas. Hopefully, they will be less mad.

I've also put up two posts in the Faction Warfare section of the forums. One is about anchoring Citadels and the effects on the war zone. The other is about bonuses for the controlling faction for their Citadels. I've gone back and forth with CCP Nullarbor about my concerns with being able to put a dockable structure in a system which currently has docking restrictions to NPCs. As the Citadel release date nears, I'm tapping into the community to try to cover this topic to the best of my ability before the release of them. Then, when people yell at me I can wag my finger and go, "Nuh uh."

"Is CCP ever going to rebalance [x module]?" Yes. When they get to it. More module rebalancing is now out by CCP Larrikin. He is touching Warp Disruption Field Generators and going over Neuts and Nos. The side effects of some of these changes is that I have seen complaints about the increases in distances. Thoughts?

CCP Larrikin is also running his own Capital Ship Soundboard. As with CCP Fozzie's T3D soundboard, the CSM is not involved in the setup or running of these project. While they are similar to the idea Sion floated, it is not the idea he presented. CSM members may apply and may or may not be selected. I believe CSM members can request a 'watcher' status as Mike did for the T3D discussion but I have not looked into this.

The presentations from Eve Vegas are all up and avilable on the Uploads channel of CCP's Eve Online YouTube page. I don't have a link for you because my tablet and the app are not agreeig with what I want.  CCP Quant's presentation has been wrapped into a dev blog with all of his delicious graphs. There is a lot of information here for the information hungry. We got to see this at the Summit and I am very pleased that it has been released.

It has been a bumpy week. Manifred Sideous was removed from the CSM by CCP. There will not be further details from CCP about this.  Because it is 'drama' people immediately wanted public statements. This always makes me squint and narrow my eyes. It is that crossover between real world politics when media storms happen around people and  the virtual position and what people expect from it. You will not see me resigning over it. As the information has been presented, I understand the reasons and am comfortable with CCP's decision.

CSMX has suffered a loss of members. Corebloodbrother's resigned. Gorga was removed for inactivity. Manifred has removed by CCP. It has spawned rumors that the CSM is being dissolved. Those were supported by a comment made by a developer. Other's say that we are useless and the process is a joke and a popularity contest. I'm always a bit let down when i see people that I like and respect call the CSM a joke. It may be my failing that I've not proven the value that the CSM can have. It is very clear that there is still a lot of murky, opaque walls blocking things.

Someone noticed I seem resigned about the skill trading system that was presented. That is because I am and I believe that it is going to go forward. That leaves me in a situation where I can dig in my heels and say no and in general have a snit fit over it. Or, I can express my grievances and disagreement and then move forward to collect the thoughts, ideas, and opinions of the players and do my best to put energy into make the system the best that it canbe. I'm not sure which is the correct choice or if this makes me a hypocrite. It is the one I've decided to make. If I am going to preach working for what you want, communicating, and spout goals of making Eve the best that I can, I have to actually try to do that.

That leaves a talk next weekend. I'll try to get Corbexx along and Thoric said yes. I should be able to run two next Sunday if that is of interest.


  1. Very close...

    The Fifth of November

    Remember, remember!
    The fifth of November,
    The Gunpowder treason and plot;
    I know of no reason
    Why the Gunpowder treason
    Should ever be forgot!
    Guy Fawkes and his companions
    Did the scheme contrive,
    To blow the King and Parliament
    All up alive.
    Threescore barrels, laid below,
    To prove old England's overthrow.
    But, by God's providence, him they catch,
    With a dark lantern, lighting a match!
    A stick and a stake
    For King James's sake!
    If you won't give me one,
    I'll take two,
    The better for me,
    And the worse for you.
    A rope, a rope, to hang the Pope,
    A penn'orth of cheese to choke him,
    A pint of beer to wash it down,
    And a jolly good fire to burn him.
    Holloa, boys! holloa, boys! make the bells ring!
    Holloa, boys! holloa boys! God save the King!
    Hip, hip, hooor-r-r-ray!

    1. I can't believe such an old poem got the release date wrong for Parallax

  2. "Those were supported by a comment made by a developer."

    See, this is what I thought prompted your retrospective earlier this week. Everything made sense until you commented on Onion's post, (which personally I felt was rather sympathetic), and then I was fit for 6. Confusion reigned. CCP Fozzie's unique ability to put a whole shoe shop's worth of feet in his mouth aside, this has been a pretty good week, I thought.

    "It may be my failing that I've not proven the value that the CSM can have."

    Nu-uh. You're not allowed to say that. You're a great CSM. I will say it until you stop being a CSM. Then I shall say that you were one of the best, and an absolutely wonderful person to read and talk to. If you continue to blog, and I dearly hope you will, then rest assured, I'll be here to read all that you write. <3



    1. Hit* for 6.

      Not fit. I'm not sure what 'fit for 6' would even mean. Perhaps it suggest unpalatable things about my weight? :D

    2. Hear! Hear! I second Rob... "You're a great CSM. I will say it until you stop being a CSM. Then I shall say that you were one of the best, and an absolutely wonderful person to read and talk to. If you continue to blog, and I dearly hope you will, then rest assured, I'll be here to read all that you write. <3" could not have said it better myself!

      Thank you Sugar Kyle.

  3. The increased scram range from hic's is a big concern in the context of a gate camp. Those of us who roam solo or in micro gangs by neccissity jump gates blind. Its bad enough jumping into a bubble with a domi sentry gang assisting a quick lock loki with a pet huggin. Lets not add a triple sebo devoter that scrams to the mix. Those sort of unavoidable deaths are the thing I like least about EVE. It is better if it takes skill to escape or catch someone. The hic scram removes much of the window where akill matters.

    - Kynric

    1. That scram issue will be resolved very, very soon, once CCP hears from enough non-CSM groups (aka as the majority of Eve). I imagine that you will see that bonus heavily nerfed, or removed, in short order.

  4. On the probing front, I have to say things got better once I discovered that selecting full-screen mode did not cover up the overview, d-scanner, and chat channels. Also that brought back the interface so I can move my probes. Still disappointed that the seconds no longer display on the countdown to when probes will disconnect, but you can't have everything.

    I'll be using the probing UI, even if I mutter about it, because I need to get used to it and I think it is getting close to being released. With the amount of time I spend probing down holes in Thera, I don't want to experience a learning curve when I don't have the choice to go back to the old system.

  5. It's far from your fault that the CSM is hot garbage, if anything the few good eggs are the exceptions that prove the rule.

    It's a system that needs to demand minimum standards from people to work, yet never realistically can because in the end it's just a game so inevitably you end up praying for, well, you. Block candidates are inevitable in elections, tbh Mike Azariah's entire campaign being going on podcasts and smugly telling us how invaluable he is was far more telling. That people even bother defending it, let alone get het up about people not voting genuinely confuses me.

    Tbh these focus groups with CSM having the role of watching over them and calling out bullshit seem more logical from the outside. Guess you'd know better than us :)

  6. CSM Relevance:
    As long as CCP and the CSM keep finding useful ways to utilize the institution, the CSM will remain relevant. As best I can tell, how the CSM is going to be relevant at any particular time is under constant renegotiation. Ability to renegotiate as circumstances change is certainly a good thing. Constant renegotiation . . . not so much.

    CSM Drama:
    Given the nature of our player base (drama lamas abound), CSM drama is well-nigh guaranteed. Accordingly, if you were to ask me, we need to ensure that the institution can both work within and survive the drama that we know will unfold in some matter or other.

    Individual CSM Members:
    Provided the CSM exists, individual members of good faith and decent ability will very probably get useful work done despite unclear institutional objectives and drama. If I may paraphrase Voltaire (because French!), ‘Don’t let the perfect be the enemy of the good.’

  7. You got Mail :)

    source: see comments

    Regards, a Freelancer

    PS: CSM white paper soon™ ?


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